Sometimes, Auntie, "sorry" doesn't cut it
Saturday, November 10, 2012
BBC News - BBC apologises for Newsnight child abuse report.
Has there ever been a better demonstration of the BBC's political bias than this story of sexual abuse in North Wales children's homes? It happened, years ago, in a solid Labour area. I grew up there. I was standing at a bar in Clwyd (as it then was) on the night Mrs Thatcher won her first General Election. A local cried out in genuine disbelief;
"How can she have won? I have never even met a bloody Tory!"
It's therefore a scandal of the Left. Children in the care of socialist public authorities were abused due to the actions of some public employees and the negligence of others. That's why it was barely mentioned by the BBC for decades. Given the opportunity to accuse one enemy of the Left, however, and - decades old though it was - suddenly it was the top of the BBC news.
Twain
Posted by: Mark | Monday, November 19, 2012 at 01:05 PM
Watching that video made me realise... John Lennon is dead, George Harrison is dead (not sure about Shania Twaid), pretty soon we'll all be dead and if you think the best way for people to spend their precious time on this earth is typing pointless numbers into computers or thinking of new ways to sell people things they don't need... then I think you must be a bit mad.
Over the last five years the unemployment rate has increased dramatically, and then recently decreased somewhat. During that time I have been employed continuously, so presumably, the unemployed have been living from the fruits of *my* labour.... and yet... despite this increase in the number of unemployed, my quality of life hasn't declined at all (in fact it has improved).
How do you explain that?
Might it be that the work those people were doing wasn't reall that important...?
Posted by: Mark | Monday, November 19, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Ok. So your'e a Beathles fan. That don't impress me much ^_^
Posted by: Moggsy | Monday, November 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oW6pAnQx6NI
Posted by: Mark | Monday, November 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Mark, What makes _me_ think you might be greedy with parasitic tendancies are all the comments you make about how you ought to be able to live high on the hog on the fruits of other people's labour.
Lazy is just fine and dandy... if it makes a person more efficient, or lets them come up with a better mousetrap. It is also fine while whoever wants to be lazy can afford to finance it themselves, we most all try to do that for a week or so each year.
Posted by: Moggsy | Monday, November 19, 2012 at 09:30 AM
Thank you kind sir. Lazy is only bad if someone else is depending on your work, or you are expecting to be supported by others in consequence. If you are able to support yourself and those who depend on you without working, then good luck to you.
You are greedy for the work product of others. You have made that clear here numerous times. That you are relatively modest in your expectations of what you want them to provide for you does you some credit, I guess. But when someone has a knife (even a metaphorical one) to your throat are you really supposed to be grateful that he steals your wallet but leaves your watch?
Posted by: Tom | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Fantastic comment, Tom.
Just one thing... what makes you think I am "greedy"?
And is there anything wrong wrong with being lazy?
Posted by: Mark | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 01:33 PM
I think you misunderstood (or rather I misexplained) my view on suing the BBC et al. I am happy for the victims to be compensated and for my fellow-professionals to make an honest living helping them achieve that. My only point was that being sued won't educate public employees to behave better in future, because they won't personally suffer the consequences. The taxpayer will pick up the bill. No inconsistency there.
Posted by: Tom | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 08:40 AM
I can and I think I just did. Whatever standard is applied, I disagree that it should be higher for one class of legal person. As things stand, the Occupy movement defames away to its heart's content and the companies and individuals concerned must take it (a) because the idiots doing the defaming are not worth suing and (b) because it would damage their reputation more to be seen suppressing free speech. I don't see any real damage to those companies or individuals, do you? Their customers are capable of evaluating the critiques made by Occupy. The ones who believe their nonsense come from the class of anti-business ideologues who would hate them regardless, so it really doesn't matter.
Mark restates reasoned positions here in order to attribute wicked motives to his opponents. No doubt he would say I have done the same in tracing back what he sees as "high minded" ideals of property redistribution to his perceived (by me) personal greed and idleness. So what? Readers can read both sides and form their own views.
I felt sorry for Lord McAlpine. Being falsely accused of crimes against defenceless children is about as bad as it can get. But the truth is out now and his accusers are the ones whose reputation has been damaged. My sympathy for him began to evaporate when his lawyers implied that they will sue everyone who propagated the vile rumour. It seems he even has the power to make me sympathise with the revolting Monbiot creature; a power that I did not think existed.
All that's left of my teenage Maoism is the belief that the Great Helmsman was right when he wrote:
"It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue; it demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves but achieved a great deal in our work."
If those who oppose my ideas want to sink to the level of "defamatory" accusations, then so be it. I will deny them mildly and readers can decide. If they are distasteful enough to make my mother shy from reading my blog, I will delete them. This blog is mine and though I have yet to delete a comment or block a user I reserve the right to do so. I am not of enough interest for anyone else to be interested in publishing any libels about me.
The laws of defamation provide me with no adequate protection anyway. Although I am relatively prosperous, the life's savings on which I hope to support myself until my death could be easily consumed by one defamation action, so I am unlikely ever bring one. The only effect libel law therefore has on me is to limit what I write here. For example, it prevents me blogging my best ever story about John Prescott. I got it from a reliable source and believe it to be true, but it will have to wait until that vile old parasite is dead, sadly.
The fact that you cannot defame the dead is a good illustration of how little value the law has, actually. I am more likely to be upset by your telling vile untruths about my late wife than about me, but the law permits you to say whatever you like without any recourse. If I can endure defamation of her character, I can certainly endure it of mine.
Posted by: Tom | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 08:35 AM
And you don't seem to like the BBC being funded by force. I am not saying you are wrong in that.
But you also don't seem to like the idea "public bodies" being sued because the money comes out of public funds.
Seems in the direction of wanting to have your cake and eat it maybe? I expect you will say not tho ^_^
Posted by: Moggsy | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 08:09 AM
If it involves fraud, yes.
Posted by: Tom | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 08:04 AM
Tom you cant just say "let the buyer beware" when it comes to everything people say. I agree they ought to beware, but people ought also to take some reponsibility for what they say, especially large news organisations.
I do agree the law should not be so expensive to use that it makes it impossible to use. Maybe "no win no fee" is not such a bad thing after all...
Posted by: Moggsy | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 08:02 AM
Yes, but...
Shouldn't people also take responsibility for what they say and write?
Posted by: James Strong | Friday, November 16, 2012 at 07:14 AM
Absolutely, Tom, absolutely.
Posted by: james higham | Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 11:01 AM
The laws of defamation would be among the first to go in my libertarian government. People need to take responsibility for evaluating what they see, hear and read. The existence of the law leads people to trust what the MSM says on the basis that their lawyers have read it for libel. As we have seen of late, they haven't even read it for sources half the time.
Besides, defamation is no protection for the poor. The legal fees are huge and there is no legal aid for them. It's mainly a weapon of the rich. The only benefit the poor get is that they are not worth suing and can therefore say what they like (unless they encounter someone really rich and vengeful who is prepared to bankrupt them even if there are no damages to be had or costs to recover).
It would be far better, as in all other areas of life, for people to develop their own judgement as to what to believe. The BBC has done us a huge favour, for example, by so openly disclosing its bias. I hope it will lead to viewers being more critical of their output in future. Which only leaves the massive injustice that it is funded by force to put out statist agitprop.
Posted by: Tom | Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 08:58 AM
Tom, I was thinking individuals, defamation related. And connected with the "name" news story. Not all work for the BBC. Especially people who published names or waved lists of them on camera.
Anyway I read it was a private news company ran to Newsnight with "the prominant Thatcher era..." stuff and it was put out as a joint thing.
Posted by: Moggsy | Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 07:37 AM
Suing public authorities just means taxpayers pay more. You can't blame the victims for wanting compensation, but there is no educational effect upon the public servants concerned. Or perhaps that's wrong. Perhaps it educates them that they can do what they like and the public will always have to pay.
Posted by: Tom | Wednesday, November 14, 2012 at 11:03 AM
I think Laban and Antisthenes especially have got points.
This whole thing is like a farce. The BBC were in the doo-doo and saw what looked like a too-good-to-be-true chance to, not only take the heat off themselves, but blacken the name of their hated Thatcher by association. Also to stick it to the Tories.
They didn't bother to look the gift horse too close in the dental department.
All their fellow travellers jumped on the badwagon.
Except it turned out the journalists at the Guardian are more honest reporters and did what the BBC should have done and checked the facts.
Whatever it was at one time, this is what BBC journalism has come to unreliable, slapdash pretended unbias.
The thing is if Newsnight had been genuinely honest and unbiased they wouldnt have fallen into their own bear trap. Like it is difficult to con an honest man with a trick aimed at greed and dishonesty.
The useless guy who was put in charge of the whole mess couldn't be asked to organise someone to check his press cuttings to let him know if there is a tuck about to hit him.
Let's hope some people get sued over this.
Posted by: Moggsy | Monday, November 12, 2012 at 08:51 AM
I almost feel sorry for them. They tasted blue blood in the water and went into a feeding frenzy, you can't blame them, it's in their DNA.
...I did say almost.
Posted by: Diogenes | Monday, November 12, 2012 at 01:02 AM
The BBC wanted viewers' texts re Entwistle and I sent mine:
"GE's going is futile as deep anti-Tory bias remains the BBC's DNA.
It is NOT widely trusted by viewers and Britain would be the better were it disbanded."
I'm not holding my breath for its appearance!
Posted by: CT | Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 11:56 PM
I believe it was more trying to take the heat of themselves. Seems to have backfired.
Posted by: Antisthenes | Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 03:18 PM
It's just like The Crucible, isn't it? The BBC (and Newsnight) are in the doo-doo because of Jimmy Savile, so they turn round and point the finger elsewhere.
"If I'm bad, look at him!"
Posted by: Laban | Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 10:22 AM